[Plugtest-org] Evidently another Plugfest in Berlin?

Tue Jun 26 17:22:02 CEST 2012

Charles,

It's time to move forward. There never was 'vehement' opposition. If there 
was, you would not mind presenting the citation. Correct? Please don't 
turn Rob's request back on him. It should be a simple thing to do.

We all care tremendously for the success of ODF and its adoption. 
Interoperability has always been core to the mission. 

Why would you think IBM was in 'vehement opposition'? 

Don Harbison
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From:   "Charles-H. Schulz" <charles-h.schulz at arsaperta.com>
To:     plugtest-organisers at nlnet.nl, 
Date:   06/26/2012 10:49 PM
Subject:        Re: [Plugtest-org] Evidently another Plugfest in Berlin?
Sent by:        plugtest-organisers-bounces at nlnet.nl

Le mardi 26 juin 2012 à 10:26 -0400, robert_weir at us.ibm.com a écrit :
> "Charles-H. Schulz" <charles-h.schulz at arsaperta.com> wrote on
> 06/25/2012 02:17:42 PM:
> 
> > Rob,
> > Le 25 juin 2012 à 18:22, robert_weir at us.ibm.com a écrit :
> > 
> > 
> > If the question of neutrality was answered before, that is, in 
> > former plugfests, and addressed in a satisfactory way I don't see 
> > why we should need an extra-layer of neutrality. Besides, you can 
> > ask for instance Doug and Jürgen and they will tell you that they 
> > thoroughly enjoyed being at the first LibreOffice Conference, at 
> > least I think they did, that's what they told me at the time. 
> > 
> > > But this is made more difficult with the inflammatory language I'm
> > reading now, e.g., 
> > > 
> > > http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/msg05552.html
> > > 
> > > or 
> > > 
> > >
> 
https://open.nlnet.nl/pipermail/plugtest-organisers/2012-June/000266.html
> > > 
> > > It is absurd, for example to claim that I am trying to block 
> > ("vehemently opposed") the LO Plugfest proposal, when a) I have not 
> > seen any proposal, and b) I have expressed no opinion on LO hosting 
> > a Plugfest. 
> > > 
> > > I think I am owed an apology for this. 
> > 
> > If you're owed an apology then I'm owned at least as much apology as
> > you're requesting Rob (for this and for twenty different other 
> > things), but I don't ask for that much. Let me put it that way. If 
> > we manage to get this plugfest through the door and up and running 
> > in Berlin, we will have the satisfaction to have worked towards the 
> > advancement of open standards and show more than ever an united 
> > front on behalf of ODF.
> > 
> 
> Charles, 
> 
> You wrote on the LO list that IBM was "vehemently opposed" to
> LibreOffice hosting a Plugfest: 
> 
> http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/msg05552.html 
> 
> You sent that on Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:23:46 +0200. 
> 
> As anyone can see from reading the list archives
> (
https://open.nlnet.nl/pipermail/plugtest-organisers/2012-June/thread.html) 
the only posts from IBM relative to the Plugfest were from me, and all 
that I did at that point was to note that a Plugfest had been announced to 
the press, though no proposal was every made to this list:  It would have 
been irresponsible for a Plugfest Program Committee member not to note 
this. 
> 
> See:
>  
https://open.nlnet.nl/pipermail/plugtest-organisers/2012-June/000259.html 
> 
> I never gave any opinion on the proposal.  To this date I have not yet
> seen any proposal. 
> 
> When asked for details, of why (in your mind) IBM was opposing the
> Plugfest, you responded on the LibreOffice list : 
> 
> "Their reason is that "in order to avoid any friction, ODF plugfests
> should take place in neutral venues, for instance not in LibreOffice
> Conference or AOO conferences". The problem is of course that there
> has
> been so far zero AOO conference, and already one LibreOffice
> Conference.
> I don't see why it's bad to have an ODF PLugfest at the LibreOffice
> conference or at any AOO conference, or even KDE Summit, for that
> matter. There are multiple implementations of ODF out there, and it's
> an
> advantage, not a problem. But the "neutrality" argument is always
> pushed
> in such a way that TDF is the culprit, and I'm getting tired of that.
> " 
> 
> http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/msg05560.html 
> 
> The quote you give there was not something I have seen before.  It
> certainly has not come from me, or anyone else on this list or
> anywhere else that I have seen. 
> 
> Could I ask for a citation for your quote?  You are claiming that IBM
> was opposing the Plugfest, a serious charge, one that has now been
> spread around widely, but to my knowledge no such thing has occurred.
>  If you are aware of some IBMer in some other list or other
> conversation saying these things, please let me know and I will have a
> talk with them. 
> 

Rob, 

You never let go of things, don't you? 

Best,
Charles.

> Regards, 
> 
> -Rob
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