[Plugtest-org] Evidently another Plugfest in Berlin?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Rob,
Le 25 juin 2012 à 18:22, robert_weir at us.ibm.com a écrit :

> Louis Suárez-Potts <luispo at gmail.com> wrote on 06/22/2012 01:49:57 PM:
> 
> > Subject: Re: [Plugtest-org] Evidently another Plugfest in Berlin? 
> > 
> > Hm. Bit of a surprise to me, too. We had discussed on the OIC call
> > last Wednesday week the idea of a time frame and possibly location
> > (Europe) but that was it; I had suggested it better we stick with
> > really neutral spaces for the plugfest.
> > 
> 
> Just a quick point on "neutrality".  We need to think about what that means.  After all, we just had a Plugfest hosted by Microsoft at their offices in Brussels.  Personally, I think that was sufficiently neutral, since the planning was open and the execution focused on technical interop.   
> 
> I imagine it was a symmetrical consideration for past Plugfests which were concurrent with OOo conferences.  Although some Microsoft people attended and even presented in the OOo conference sessions, we made an effort to maintain the Plugfest as an independent event within the overall conference.   

Right; so I was not specifically part of the ODF Plugfest preparations hosted at Microsoft so some provisions or details may be unknown to me. I would simply say that if we have an ODF Plugfest in Berlin it ought to be letting any ODF implementor demonstrate its technology, possibly showing interop issues (ODF document exchanged between various implementations) in a markedly factual and technical fashion. In short, anything that was done in other ODF Plugfests in the past; I think we can handle that. 


> 
> So the question might be put as:  what kind of neutrality do we need?  And how can we achieve it?  I'm trying to keep an open mind here, that such a Plugfest can be neutral and welcoming to all.  

If the question of neutrality was answered before, that is, in former plugfests, and addressed in a satisfactory way I don't see why we should need an extra-layer of neutrality. Besides, you can ask for instance Doug and Jürgen and they will tell you that they thoroughly enjoyed being at the first LibreOffice Conference, at least I think they did, that's what they told me at the time. 

> But this is made more difficult with the inflammatory language I'm reading now, e.g., 
> 
> http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/msg05552.html 
> 
> or 
> 
> https://open.nlnet.nl/pipermail/plugtest-organisers/2012-June/000266.html 
> 
> It is absurd, for example to claim that I am trying to block ("vehemently opposed") the LO Plugfest proposal, when a) I have not seen any proposal, and b) I have expressed no opinion on LO hosting a Plugfest.   
> 
> I think I am owed an apology for this. 

If you're owed an apology then I'm owned at least as much apology as you're requesting Rob (for this and for twenty different other things), but I don't ask for that much. Let me put it that way. If we manage to get this plugfest through the door and up and running in Berlin, we will have the satisfaction to have worked towards the advancement of open standards and show more than ever an united front on behalf of ODF.

Best,
Charles.

> 
> -Rob 
> 
> 
> > Louis
> > 
> > On 22 June 2012 13:34,  <robert_weir at us.ibm.com> wrote:
> > > I'm surprised that I'm reading this in the press when no discussion or
> > > proposal has been made on this list, but there appears to be another ODF
> > > Plugfest in Berlin scheduled for November:
> > >
> > > http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/LibreOffice-
> > Conference-2012-Call-for-Papers-announced-1623270.html
> > >
> > > Or did I miss something?
> > >
> > > -Rob
> > >
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Charles-H. Schulz
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