[ODFPlugtest] Gouda plugfest: problem case with ODT frames encountered in OEP project

[Willem-Jan Veen]

Hi Olivier,

As I promised yesterday, a short explanation of the odd behaviour that I experienced after some experimenting in openoffice on the KIO-experiment.odt document, that I gave you during the plugfest. I've made a few screen shots to visualize the steps I made to recreate this odd behaviour.

1. open the KIO-experiment.odt and scroll to the page where to change the frame floating behaviour (KIO-experiment-initial-rendering.png)
2. enter the frame dialog for the frame with text box and change the anchor-type into "to-character" and the vertical relation to "char" (KIO-experiment-changing-frame-settings.png)
3. close the frame dialog with [ok] and notice the improved rendering of the frame with text box (KIO-experiment-correct-rendering-after-frame-changes.png)
4. save the document and force a reload with the menu option found in openoffice file menu (KIO-experiment-reload-modified-document.png)
5. after reloading the document, notice the unexpected altered page-layout (KIO-experiment-broken-rendering-after-reload.png)

I had the same behaviour using neo-office. Both experiments where done on a Mac Os (Lion).

After this experiment I stopped with experiments to improve the flow of frames. I'm of course still very interested in a solution that resolves the issues we have when frames start to flow to another page, both for the images with a title above and comments below as well as for margin texts that are encapsulated in a frame. I'm also curious what caused the observed behaviour in the described experiments. Note that the behaviour is reproducable in attached document.

Finally, I've similar issues with the flowing of lines in ODT documents, but I'll devise another simple document to demonstrate this scenario.

Thanks for all the help you may give.

Regards,
Willem-Jan

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On Nov 23, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

> Hi Willem-Jan,
> 
> we already had the possibility to talk at the end of the ODF Plugfest in
> Gouda, NL last week about your layout problems in some detail.
> I think I have already given you some hints in order to get more control
> about the layout regarding the flow of text frames in OpenOffice.org resp.
> Apache OpenOffice.
> 
> As promised I am planning to followup on your problems in more detail when
> I have some resources left. Hopefully, I have some time in the next week.
> I hope it is ok for the rest of the mailing list subscribers, if I post the
> followup on this mailing list, because - as far as I have seen - the
> problems are more or less related to applications which base on
> OpenOffice.org code than they are related to ODF.
> If not, please let me know.
> 
> Willem-Jan: Do not hestitate to ping me, if you have questions/comments/...
> 
> 
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en / Best regards
> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann
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> From:	Willem-Jan Veen <willem at lunatech.com>
> To:	plugtest at opendocsociety.org
> Date:	18.11.2011 10:45
> Subject:	[ODFPlugtest] Gouda plugfest: problem case with ODT frames
>            encountered in OEP project
> Sent by:	plugtest-bounces at opendocsociety.org
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The problem case with frames concern for instance the inclusion of an image
> with a title on top and additional remarks on the bottom. In the specific
> situation that the image doesn't fit on the remainder of the page, it
> automatically floats to the next page (what is good), but the positioning
> of the frames with title, image and remarks become scrambled.
> 
> I've attached a small ODT file which demonstrates this behaviour. It first
> shows a image with title and remarks which are rendered correctly position
> to each other. A page further, in identical example is presented but this
> time the image didn't fit on the remainder of the page and floated to the
> next page. You can immediately see the resulting visual effects when opened
> in openoffice or neo-office.
> 
> Please note, that the ODT isn't correctly zipped. The original ODT was much
> larger, so I unzipped de ODT, manually removed as much content as possible
> while keeping the problem case intact. I then zipped the ODT quickly by
> hand without placing the file mime type as-is on the starting offset. In
> our experience, this doesn't pose a problem for rendering such a document
> in a word processor. The real system does do the final zip process
> according to specification.
> 
> Regards,
> Willem-Jan Veen
> 
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