[Plugtest-org] Evidently another Plugfest in Berlin?

[Charles-H. Schulz]

Le mardi 26 juin 2012 à 10:26 -0400, robert_weir at us.ibm.com a écrit :
> "Charles-H. Schulz" <charles-h.schulz at arsaperta.com> wrote on
> 06/25/2012 02:17:42 PM:
> 
> > Rob,
> > Le 25 juin 2012 à 18:22, robert_weir at us.ibm.com a écrit :
> > 
> > 
> > If the question of neutrality was answered before, that is, in 
> > former plugfests, and addressed in a satisfactory way I don't see 
> > why we should need an extra-layer of neutrality. Besides, you can 
> > ask for instance Doug and Jürgen and they will tell you that they 
> > thoroughly enjoyed being at the first LibreOffice Conference, at 
> > least I think they did, that's what they told me at the time. 
> > 
> > > But this is made more difficult with the inflammatory language I'm
> > reading now, e.g., 
> > > 
> > > http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/msg05552.html
> > > 
> > > or 
> > > 
> > >
> https://open.nlnet.nl/pipermail/plugtest-organisers/2012-June/000266.html
> > > 
> > > It is absurd, for example to claim that I am trying to block 
> > ("vehemently opposed") the LO Plugfest proposal, when a) I have not 
> > seen any proposal, and b) I have expressed no opinion on LO hosting 
> > a Plugfest.   
> > > 
> > > I think I am owed an apology for this. 
> > 
> > If you're owed an apology then I'm owned at least as much apology as
> > you're requesting Rob (for this and for twenty different other 
> > things), but I don't ask for that much. Let me put it that way. If 
> > we manage to get this plugfest through the door and up and running 
> > in Berlin, we will have the satisfaction to have worked towards the 
> > advancement of open standards and show more than ever an united 
> > front on behalf of ODF.
> > 
> 
> Charles, 
> 
> You wrote on the LO list that IBM was "vehemently opposed" to
> LibreOffice hosting a Plugfest: 
> 
> http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/msg05552.html 
> 
> You sent that on Mon, 25 Jun 2012 08:23:46 +0200. 
> 
> As anyone can see from reading the list archives
> (https://open.nlnet.nl/pipermail/plugtest-organisers/2012-June/thread.html) the only posts from IBM relative to the Plugfest were from me, and all that I did at that point was to note that a Plugfest had been announced to the press, though no proposal was every made to this list:  It would have been irresponsible for a Plugfest Program Committee member not to note this.   
> 
> See:
>  https://open.nlnet.nl/pipermail/plugtest-organisers/2012-June/000259.html 
> 
> I never gave any opinion on the proposal.  To this date I have not yet
> seen any proposal. 
> 
> When asked for details, of why (in your mind) IBM was opposing the
> Plugfest, you responded on the LibreOffice list : 
> 
> "Their reason is that "in order to avoid any friction, ODF plugfests
> should take place in neutral venues, for instance not in LibreOffice
> Conference or AOO conferences". The problem is of course that there
> has
> been so far zero AOO conference, and already one LibreOffice
> Conference.
> I don't see why it's bad to have an ODF PLugfest at the LibreOffice
> conference or at any AOO conference, or even KDE Summit, for that
> matter. There are multiple implementations of ODF out there, and it's
> an
> advantage, not a problem. But the "neutrality" argument is always
> pushed
> in such a way that TDF is the culprit, and I'm getting tired of that.
> " 
> 
> http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/msg05560.html 
> 
> The quote you give there was not something I have seen before.  It
> certainly has not come from me, or anyone else on this list or
> anywhere else that I have seen. 
> 
> Could I ask for a citation for your quote?  You are claiming that IBM
> was opposing the Plugfest, a serious charge, one that has now been
> spread around widely, but to my knowledge no such thing has occurred.
>  If you are aware of some IBMer in some other list or other
> conversation saying these things, please let me know and I will have a
> talk with them. 
> 

Rob, 

You never let go of things, don't you? 

Best,
Charles.

> Regards, 
> 
> -Rob
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Charles-H. Schulz
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Ars Aperta.