[Plugtest-org] draft agenda updated

Tue Sep 29 20:17:07 CEST 2009

Hi Rob,

that's indeed a valid point...

So, let's find something that works for all of us:

- did the City of Amsterdam test their converted (ODF) documents in various
implementations like KOffice, MS-Office 2007sp2... ?

a) if so,can they highlight a few ODF-issues when opening/editing their ODF
(converted or reworked) documents in these implementations (simple scenario
wanted here). I assume they've encountered at least a few issues they had to
work around somehow, so this is a good opportunity to report them to the
core developers...

b) if not, perhaps it's a nice opportunity for them to let us test a few documents
in various implementations and see if we can find new issues (rather complex,
but it might help them)

Is this a better approach, or should we just forget about it altogether ?

Best regard,

Bart

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From: plugtest-organisers-bounces at opendocsociety.org [plugtest-organisers-bounces at opendocsociety.org] On Behalf Of robert_weir at us.ibm.com [robert_weir at us.ibm.com]
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Backing up a bit -- what exactly are we doing here?  Remember applications
don't convert legacy documents to ODF.  OpenOffice doesn't do this.
Symphony doesn't do this.  Microsoft Office doesn't do this.  I don't
think anyone "converts" legacy documents to ODF.  What we do is load a
legacy document into our products.  And then when the time comes to save
it, we save it to whatever format the user requests, which might be ODF,
but it might be some entirely different format, like Microsoft binary, or
SmartSuite, or WordPerfect or whatever.  But at the time we ready the
legacy document, we have no idea whether it will eventually saved in ODF
format.  Therefore the reading of legacy document files has nothing to do
with ODF.

Also, if we have an app scenario that deals with legacy formats, then we
make it harder for other vendors to participate in that activity because
the person they are sending to the plugfest may know nothing about the
legacy import filters.  So if the error is in reading the legacy files we
won't be able to make much progress.

-Rob

From:
Hanssens Bart <Bart.Hanssens at fedict.be>
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Date:
09/29/2009 01:11 PM
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Re: [Plugtest-org] draft agenda updated
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Fabrice,

can you ask the City of Amsterdam to create one (or a few) simple but
challenging scenarios for converting legacy documents to ODF ? Thanks

Meanwhile, I've added it to the agenda, things are shaping up :-)

Best regards,

Bart
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From: Louis Suarez-Potts [luispo at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 3:42 PM
To: Hanssens Bart
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Hi

On 2009-09-29, at 03:27 , Hanssens Bart wrote:

> Louis, Fabrice,
>
>
> Mm, ok, I can see the point...
>
> But in that case I'd suggest to focus on converting legacy formats
> to ODF, and have the City of Amsterdam provide some scenarios
> that can be tested instead of "just" doing a presentation
> (which will no doubt be very interesting, but the implementations
> will benefit more from actually trying to convert "difficult" legacy)
>
> How does that sound, say 1 or 2 hour on day 2 ?

Agreed; even a workshop comes to mind. But the key point here would be
*focus*: unfocused presentations on difficulties encountered and with
no repeatable solutions is simply a waste of everyone's time.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Bart
>
best
Louis
>
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Louis Suarez-Potts [luispo at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 5:25 AM
> To: Hanssens Bart
> Cc: Fabrice.Mous at opendocsociety.org;
plugtest-organisers at opendocsociety.org
> Subject: Re: [Plugtest-org] draft agenda updated
>
> I think that this (resolution of ODF/doc and also OOXML?) could be
> interesting, esp. as Amsterdam represents several things--a city
> that's big and migrating over, and doing so with essentially local
> companies. That is, I think that other groups would be quite
> interested.
>
> Louis
>
>
> On 2009-09-28, at 04:00 , Hanssens Bart wrote:
>
>> Hello Fabrice,
>>
>>
>> I'm not into the business of slapping people, I just make them use
>> vi :-)
>>
>> mmz, their experience is of course very interesting and useful, but
>> perhaps
>> for this event it's better to focus on ODF interoperability, not on
>> migration
>> issues...
>>
>> Since you specifically mentioned printing and styling, do they still
>> encounter
>> issues when opening / printing their ODF documents in, say,
>> GoogleDocs,
>> MS-Office 2007sp2, OpenOffice... ?
>>
>> If so, could the come up with a simple scenario that can be tested
>> on Day 2 ?
>> That way they can highlight issues _and_ we might have people in the
>> room
>> actually solving (or at least identifying the cause of) those issue
>> at the same
>> time...
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Bart
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Fabrice Mous [Fabrice.Mous at opendocsociety.org]
>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 9:35 AM
>> To: Hanssens Bart
>> Cc: plugtest-organisers at opendocsociety.org
>> Subject: Re: [Plugtest-org] draft agenda updated
>>
>> Hi Bart,
>>
>> On Fri, 2009-09-25 at 09:12 +0200, Hanssens Bart wrote:
>> [..]
>>> Also, I'd like to call for volunteers who are willing to lead one
>>> or more sessions
>>> (perhaps Roberto could do the opening talk and someone from
>>> opendocsociety
>>> the closing talk, and if someone wants to add a particular
>>> scenario, he/she can
>>> lead that session)
>>
>> Just a suggestion. Last week I spoke to some people from the City of
>> Amsterdam who are doing a major shift to open source and open
>> standards.
>> Currently they run into quite some incompatibilty issues between ODF
>> and
>> the MS Office file formats. There is even somewhat of a request wrt
>> printing functionality and styling of documents. I mentioned the ODF
>> Plugfest event and they were very interested
>>
>> Anyway ... if we think the ODF Plugfest stage might be a good place
>> for
>> them to talk their experiences I suggest we invite them. However,
>> this
>> is merely a suggestion. So feel free to slap me if you think this
>> suggestion makes no sense :)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Fabrice
>> --
>> Fabrice Mous
>> OpenDoc Society
>> +31 648585162
>> fabrice.mous at opendocsociety.org
>> http://nl.opendocsociety.org
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